Dees and Jan Jacob are guests on the podcast “The Profit of Loss: Unraveling Change” by Esther Polak.
In this episode, you’ll hear, among other things:
• How systemic interventions work in organizations
• What you allow into the team – and what stays outside
• The power of language
• Wielding the sword: recognizing and breaking patterns
In the interview, they explore what is happening beneath the surface in teams and organizations: the significance of loss, the membrane as a system boundary, and the courage to name the unmentionable. It’s an in-depth conversation about mature leadership, systemic patterns, and the power of giving space to whatever arises.
Listen on Spotify or Apple Podcast: The Profit of Loss – Episode 13: Jan Jacob Stam & Dees van de Hoef.
